>> host: share some of your conversations with him around that issue? >> guest: well, i did ask him about this directly. and some of his advisors both african-american and others, about this. and he's very clear that he doesn't think we're in what some people call a post-racial america. the race issue does come up regularly. he sometimes addresses it most of the time he prefers not to because what he's trying to do, as he told me and as his advisors said, he's trying to run a racial-neutral administration. he wants to be thought of as the president, not the black president or the first black president. he and some of his advisors make an interesting historical case that when president kennedy was campaigning, he was widely -- was widely perceived that his catholicism would be a problem, the first catholic president. when he took office, that issue faded almost completely because so many other issues were crowding the agenda, you know, dealings with the soviet union, you know, the economy and so on. and so the catholic issue faded.